Tuesday, September 19, 2006

More Great Words of Wisdom from the JdJive Board

I really can't say it any better than "law is 4 losers" stated below..

"Lawyers utter, total lack of business training and basic common sense also becomes pretty evident once you get out practicing. Today my firm sent me on a mission to the Bronx for the sole purpose of buying an indx number and filing request for PC's, and checking on whether a judgement was ready. All tasks that could easily be assigned to a seceratary, paralegal, or high-school kid. Yet that is state of toilet law- tons of time is spent on tasks a monkey could do. It is sadly no different at big firms. Sullivan Cromwell screwed up when I was there and didn't have the right boxes of paper that needed pushing, so instead they paid licensed JD's, albeit from toilet schools, $32 an hour to "code"- which is just gluing labels on documents! About the equivilant of envelope licking! It's fine with me, I love doing mindless monkey work- it is better than pushing paper. As an aside, the entire NYC Court system is completly dysfunctional and in dire need of massive reform and overhaul. As I've mentioned before, merely filing papers requires 4 trips to 4 different rooms, all on seperate floors. You should see how many stamps these idiots have on their desks- it is like something from a post office circa 1885! The court system's main goal is to waste time and make lawyers lives as miserable and unpleasant as possible. I can say that I truly, utterly HATE the practice of law, have no respect for the process, the clients, the law itself, or any of the people involved in it. It really is a worthless occupation, obessed to the point of mania with nit-picking procedural garbage- the procedure has literally gotten so out of control with techncalities that it has consumed the profession itself. I love the people who think it is impossible to have a "civilized" soceity without lawyers! I'm sure we'd resort to cave dwelling and duels without such vital legal concepts as the Rule in Shelley's Case and UCC 2-207 and all the other pointless, time-wasting mind-numbing garbage that these insecure nerds try to treat as a genuine intellectual activity. Total BS, that's all "law" is.

Look at Supreme Court decisions in regards to the Commerce Clause- these idiots caved in that thuggish, left-wing socialist cripple FDR when he threatned to strip them of their "power." That entire clause of the Constitution may as well be covered with White-Out, these clowns have streched the meaning so far past the point of reason and basic common sense it is absurd. A mentally retarded 4th grader could do a better job interpeting the Constitution than the paper-pushing tools we have in charge now. People who study Con Law are the biggest kool-aid drinkers in the entire sorry-assed law school process. Where I see nothing but terrible, verbose, excruciatingly boring, ungrammatical, tedious rambling in these "opinions" the kool-aid drinkers see deep, profound meaning.

They are like those ultra-serious stoners in college who were convinced Pink Flyod set "Dark Side of The Moon" as a soundrack to the Wizard of Oz. Where I see nothing in these "holdings" but a bare exercise of ad-hoc, peronsal political beliefs, these idiots see some grand design to honor our heritage, etc. When do we finally admit that these so-called "justices" are nothing more than used-car salesman like the rest of this sorry ass country.

>>>>But the hostility that you have towards lawyers, the court system, and the law in general (not to mention FDR), is almost frightening. Why on earth are you still a lawyer? _______________________________________________________________________ Maybe because all I deal with is abuse, degradation, turmoil, and misery. My "firm" specializes in sloppy, disorginized toilet work of the lowest caliber possible wthout incurring dissbarment.. I absorb day after day of abuse from those basstard clerks as our papers are usually deficent due to some nitpicking dumb-ass reason like an expired notary stamp, etc. As if the rubber stamp of an illterate 19 year old seceratary really makes any f'ing difference- "notary" is just a reason for the thristy, corrupt government to suck money out of people, nothing more. A worthless concept dreamed up by-you guessed it! - the world's most worthless field -LAW! We don't use American Clerical, my toilet makes lawyers do ALL the filing, so I get to enjoy this crap every day. Then if I get back and something wouldn't/couldn't get filed I get screamed at all over again by the partners. Fun, huh? Judges really hate my firm's guts, I am spread so thin with like 6-9 different court appearances a day that I just can't become an expert on the facts of every file as I race from courtroom to courtroom, and get screamed at for every procedural screw-up we've made along the way, which are usally plenty since the NY CPLR is only about 46,286 pages long! Our "clients" are all ignorant, shreiking sub-human trash who call 50 X a day asking where "doz millionz is at boss"when they have a f'ing bruised knee and a cervical sprain. Many of these lowlifes are career litigators who know more law than a freakin torts professor since they've been bilking the system for so long!They sit on the sofa all day collecting welfare and supplementing this "income" by tripping over their own feet in the supermarket where they redeem their food stamps. Of course we never want to fork over the authorizations for the 17 other prior injuries these dirtbags have incurred in their accident-prone lives, so the judges take out their disdain for this legal "strategy" on me. I just want to tell these jerk-offs how it is to make $16 an hour with no health insurance and owe 120 K to a worthless toilet school, and on top of that get stomped into the ground for the egrigious inexcusable f-ups of my "office." The partners are all overworked, bitter, and miserable people, conversing only in expletives and seething anger. Law has literally just ground the life out of them- I doubt they'll live past age 60. Our support staff are all untrained, lazy, and obnoxious, barely able to speak English and paid fast-food wages.Guess what else: with my lousy toilet credentials I will never be able to move on to any type of respectable place- it is toilet law or doc review- period. The kool-aid drinkers here should realize that right now. This field is more obsessed with "prestige" than those fashon-show fairies. Having a toilet school like Seton Hall on your resume is like wearing bib overalls to the ballet- everyone automatically assumes you are a dumb, half-witted moron. All employers have to go on is the resume, and toilet schools doom you to he trash can. That's the way the world works, sadly. FDR is hands down the worst president this country ever saw. He lit the fuse that LBJ's Great Society finsihed with a bang- BIG government handouts, unlimited welfare, the idea that government needs to "take care of" people, etc. Herbert Hoover said of the New Deal during the 1932 campaign "I believe that when we begin appropraitions of this sort, we have struck at the very root of self government." The New Deal did NOTHING to alleviate the Depression; in fact it made things far worse. Not until WWII did we truly emerge from the depths of the Depression, no thanks to that socialist cripple. My grandfather literally spat on the ground when his name was mentioned, he lived thru the Depression and said that many people really hated FDR- it is only because the history book authors are academic left-wing kooks who couldn't cut it in reality that we have this deity-like image of that drag-leg DemocRAT.

I am DESPERATLY trying to get out of law, I spend every day trolling the net for a new gig, I can't see myself doing this crap much longer. Fact is, I went to a substandard, grossly overpriced toilet school, did OK but not well enough to ever land a decent, respectable lawyer job outiside ID/PI, owe massive amounts of debt to said toilet school, and basically just want to put this mistake of an "education" behind me forever. THe bitterness & utter disappointment I feel is, from the looks of it, shared by many others. For Christ's sake, 55,000/yr. for seven years of education and passing TWO bar exams is downright suicide-inducing. When I tell frends outside law what I make they literally do not believe it! It is just hard to "get your arms around" how God-awful the salaries and "oppotunities" really are in this crapper field. I drink almost evey day and have been smoking like a fiend- my hope is that I'll just die in my sleep of a massive heart attack and then Sallie Mae can go screw themselves and sue my estate (which consists of the clothes on my back and an ipod, plus 7 K in credit card debt and a half a pack of Camel Lights) for the rest of their blood money.

Trying to pay off a private TTT toilet degree on the dumpster money in this field is like using a coffee can to bail out the Titanic- you might as well just surrender and get the drowning over with. The lifeboats are long gone, now.

I'm only 29 and my life is a smoking, ruined hulk, a train wreck, a pure unmitigated disaster. The sad thing is how many people are in this boat. Only in the quiet of the elevator in the Brox Courthouse or on those drunken nights after a few bumps do we all confess how truly, utterly sorry we are that we ever set foot in this God-forsaken field, at how crushing the debt truly is, about how different things could've been. Most lawyers I talk to who left the law tell me the best decision they ever made was leaving this low-paying paper-churning toilet of a job- most have never- NEVER- looked back. Going back into law would be like breaking back into prison, or rolling in a pile of goat manure after a long shower.




At Tuesday, February 05, 2008 10:30:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Seton Hall Law school is not a toilet job. I know plenty of graduates--even very poor students--who started off making at least 75k. Its not bad, and they can make it work better for them. Why can't you do the same?

At Wednesday, November 05, 2008 5:55:00 PM, Anonymous Fart said...

Anonymous acting like making $75k means you're "making it work"--money is not everything. I'd much rather have a lower salary and a job that doesn't make me want to tie a plastic bag around my head.

At Friday, February 20, 2009 11:41:00 AM, Blogger Jeff said...

Uh, tell us how you really feel about it. . .

At Friday, February 20, 2009 11:42:00 AM, Blogger Jeff said...

Actually, on second thought, I can totally relate.

At Wednesday, May 13, 2009 7:03:00 AM, Anonymous existential said...

that school does need to focus more on preparing students. My impression from different sources is that the faculty and staff just don't give a shit. As for bib overalls, isn't any connection to a trash state like new jersey a bib overall in itself? Maybe thats why they don't bother teaching, they don't have to. Most stay local and the state is beyond anything a few lawyers could hope to accomplish, even black tie non-toilet.

I do think "Fart" comes closest to the philosophical angle. Many graduates are disappointed, because they had an unrealistic expectation to begin with. If the feeling is that you got toilet trained...I say go get real training somewhere somehow. If its the salary, well how many people are upset with their pay?

The sad thing is, if its glamor, then we are all screwed. Glamor isn't just for the black tie non-toileted, its for the people who have a crappy two-faced personality. I was never one to mess over people for a dime, but then thats new jersey again. Just do the best you can, pick some aspect of your life to change and change it. The toilet will follow you to the grave, but even the rich poop in toilets...maybe you can gold plate it or get one of those aquarium covers? QUICK cause a distraction!

At Monday, July 26, 2010 1:32:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dude, stop blaming everyone else. If your life sucks, it's your fault. It sounds like you had very many opportunities and wasted most of them. You sound like the typical miserable Republican who hates everyone but themselves. Stop hating the government, your school (k maybe the school is shitty yes), your coworkers, but take a look in the mirror... I'm not saying all that to be mean, but just to let you know that your attitude will determine what happens to you (when you have all the opportunities like you had and will have again). O and FDR did do some great stuff (not all yes), and hmm he wasn't liked? lol dude how many times did he get elected?

At Thursday, February 24, 2011 6:56:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You write well. I think you could very easily work your rant into a best seller. From the prospective of 'reader', I found it very amusing. And, yes, I do not think well of attorneys in general, so maybe that is one reason that I have enjoyed reading your blog. But while I am at it, I have read that atttorneys are officers of the court; and this being so, why are attorneys permitted to run for legislatures where they will make laws that they may possibly later litigate? Now that seems like a valid conflict of interest if there ever was one. jc3555@yahoo.com

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At Saturday, January 07, 2012 8:03:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would agree wat least with the writing aspect of the writer. Very amusing and intertaining; truthful about law, yes, but common, at the end of the day, you must feel good about a law diploma. I say if you do law for money, go into patent law if you have a technical background and if not, try IP litigation - you might actually like it. It is intellectually stimulating and will make it worthwhile.

At Tuesday, May 15, 2012 9:31:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sounds like you suck at life, and that whiny attitude of yours won't make it any better. I love your rant on FDR... for how stupid it is. The US pulled out of the Great Depression because of WWII. You are correct. Why? Listen, son... the government literally seized industry, rationed raw materials, and ran a deficit of 120% GDP which stimulated the economy out of depression. If that's not successful socialism, I don't know what is.

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At Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:22:00 AM, Blogger Larry Purviance said...

It is an awful awful horrid profession, even in the best of times, and I consider when I graduated to be the best of times. Graduated with $29,000 in student loans, paid it off in 9 years. Made $200,000 in my best year as a sole practitioner. Just left, before a heart attack kills me.


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